In this Episode
- [02:10]Mike shares his story of chasing financial success, which led to a life of emptiness and depression despite achieving societal goals like wealth and fame.
- [08:13]Mike recalls his experience with neurofeedback and how it reassures individuals that they are doing meditation correctly.
- [18:10]Mike recounts his experience of closing his previous businesses to start his coaching and supplement business from scratch.
- [24:26]Mike discusses his experience with Tony Robbins’ Platinum Partnership and the benefits and limitations of masterminds.
- [43:08]Mike explains his concept of identity work, helping clients uncover their true selves and remove societal masks.
- [55:57]Mike advises building a personal brand authentically and not for the sake of followers or likes.
Mike, it’s so great to have you on the show.
Thank you for inviting.
Let’s start with your superhero origin story. You had some crazy, wild experiences through your hero’s journey. Can you walk us through some of that?
Like everybody, life is happening, and then you have a realization, what I call an aha moment. I had multiple of those. When I was young, I was just not fitting into the system. So, for me, I was trying to figure out a way, and the way at the beginning was money. Society tells you that everything’s going to be okay if you get a lot of money and if you kind of escape the system.
So I guess when I was young, my priority was always making more and more and more money. I wasn’t about the journey. It was about the end goal, which is money. That led me to a path that I didn’t take the right decision. I had a fear of missing out. Because if you don’t know what you’re doing, but you’re always chasing money, you’re going to end up making the wrong decision.
At some point, I started making good decisions, having money, and having some time freedom, which led me to more time freedom, more time thinking about what I really wanted to. At that specific point in my life, I had what society told me was going to be good. I had a women, a luxury car, a luxury apartment, money, and traveling the world. But I was still depressed. Being depressed, or depression, is just that you’re constantly having negative thoughts.
You’re not living in gratitude, and you’re constantly having that mental story that life should be a certain way, and it’s not that way that you thought it would be, especially because society promised me something when I achieved that life, a six-figure life and all those things. Society told me as a man that if I had a lot of women, I would be happy and all that stuff, which I was not.
If you don’t know what you’re doing, but you’re always chasing money, you’re going to end up making the wrong decision.
I remember vividly that I was in the Maldives and I was receiving a message. I was also famous on social media back then, having million followers on Instagram, which was a lot. People were like, “Wow, that’s a dream destination. You’re living the dream.” And inside, I was like, “Damn, I better be faking it.” Because people think that that’s the reality, that’s how it should be. That led me to another internal journey of more spirituality and finding myself, who is the real Mike Chabot.
If it’s not money that’s gonna make me happy and fulfilled or at peace, what is it gonna be? And that led me on a journey of a few years, and then today, finally doing all the work and led me to a psychedelic, internal journey, breathwork, yoga, meditation, and all the good stuff.
Amazing. What was a pivotal moment for you? Was it at a Tony Robbins event, a ayahuasca journey in the Amazon, or something related to breathwork?
I had multiple big moments. I would say psychedelic definitely helped me. I like psilocybin, but I would say like realizing that it’s not about chasing one end goal or multiple end goals like having a Porsche or luxury stuff; you’ve got to enjoy the journey. What do you want to do with your life? If you’re not listening to society or what people tell you, it should be. What do you want out of your life?
I was like, “Okay, life doesn’t need to look like they tell me it needs to look. But what do I truly want inside of me? If I was to die within a year, how would I live my life? If I had an unlimited amount of money, what would I do out of my days?”
I started going internally and figuring out what my dream life and dream identity look like. That was some aha moment for me that I was like, “Okay, this is how my life should look.”
What are your daily practices that help keep you grounded, centered, and connected?
It’s not about chasing one end goal or multiple end goals like having a Porsche or luxury stuff, but you’ve got to enjoy the journey.
Meditation is the number one. I know a lot of people who’re gonna say like, “I tried meditation, it’s not working.” It’s like saying, “I played tennis once or twice, and I’m not so good.” It’s more like a practice; you need to show up every day. You need to see it as an investment of time and not a waste of time. So a lot of people are like, “If I meditate for 30 minutes, I’m not working in those 30 minutes.” But neuroscience proves that meditation is the number one thing.
Even with quantum physics and everything, meditation is the number one thing that would transcend your brain, activate neuroplasticity, visualization, and move energy. There are so many things related to meditation, and it’s a free practice. And also, meditation will help you to get into something that is called ‘flow state,’ which is at a high elevation of alpha brainwave, which one hour of work equals five hours of work in that state.
So see it as if you invest time in meditation, you’re gonna make your life and your work so much more efficient, and you won’t need to do as much of it. I do meditation every day. I do breathwork. Breathwork can be any forms of breathing. It could be some box breathing, could be some heavy breathing, could be some sigh, could be whatever you feel good doing.
And then I’m gonna do like all the biohacking. If you don’t have the tool at home, it’s okay. You can just build on your practice. But I have a red light therapy sauna. I have a vibration frequency bed for meditation. I have a cold plunge. I do a lot of things, but they’re not a necessity. It’s like you build on it, whatever makes you feel good.
Is there something that is particularly helpful to get you into that alpha brainwave state and more connected and intuitive? For example, do you offer neurofeedback? Have you had any kind of God awareness experiences?
I did a whole retreat on neurofeedback. I did a brain hacking program. You meditate for hours, and then you have a helmet that tracks your brain patterns and provides feedback on them. That’s cool because when you meditate, people are like, “Am I doing it right? Am I not doing it right?” So, neurofeedback is just reassuring yourself. Humans need reassurance that we’re doing it all right. At the end of the day, what I learned is that every meditation is good.
As long as you’re doing the practice, it’s good. I would say psychedelic is one of the fastest ways to fast-track the process. A lot of people are scared, or they think they’re gonna get a bad trip or stuff like that. The thing is, the only thing I can tell you about psychedelics is it’s gonna show you part of yourself or shadows that you might not be ready for.
So normally, let’s say that you would take a year or two to tap into a little bit of trauma or limiting belief or things that you normally would see over a period of one or two years, doing the breath work and the meditation and the internal work, psychedelics might fast-track it. So, in that two year, you would get bits by bits. You would digest it, and it would be easier to space it.
But if you had some trauma that your brain was hiding from you, and you take psychedelics, it might show you the trauma really fast. And then you might not like what you see, but it’s part of the work. And nobody said it was going to be fun. Doing the shadow work, the internal work, and going inside yourself to release all that energy might not be the most pleasant thing, but it has to be done. It’s like a deep tissue massage; when you hit a trigger point, it doesn’t feel so good.
But once the trigger point is released, you’re like, “Wow, that feels good. Now my shoulder is so good, I move freely.” So imagine the same with your brain, subconscious mind. That’s the work that needs to be done.
What was your shadow like, if you’re willing to share? What were you shown?
Well, parts of it for me were that I was sleeping with a lot of women for validation. So I needed them to tell me that I was the best, that I was the best at sex or whatever it is. And it’s like I was doing all those things to prove to myself that I was worthy. When I was young, I didn’t fit in with society. And at school, I was like a kid who was very successful in school.
I don’t need money. Just as money is a tool, it is also a symbol of freedom, but it doesn’t define who you are.
Without doing anything, I was also the clown of the class. It was like my way of getting the attention, and I told people that I was going to be a millionaire by 25. And then you know how it is, like a teacher, they put limiting beliefs on you because they make $70,000 to $60,000. So when you’re talking about a million dollar, they have their own limiting belief that everybody pushes on you. And that creates doubt.
I think that’s what created my fear of missing out and my need to prove myself. By 25, I ended up being bankrupt instead of a millionaire. Because I was so rushed to prove to society, and then because money was not working good, what I did was, “Oh, what can I do that is going to work good?” And it was like having a lot of sex and doing a lot of those things, those limiting belief trauma. And for me, working was like realizing what true confidence means.
And I don’t need the external validation from people; I can just be myself. I also don’t need money. Money is a tool, money is freedom, but it doesn’t define who you are. So, for me, it was about going deep in, if I get rid of everything —the appearance, everything I’m projecting —‘who am I deeply inside?’
That was some of my deep work for me. Why am I so unfulfilled and depressed? And it’s because I was being someone for society that was not the real Mike. And then there’s always two versions of yourself. There’s the version of yourself that you want to be. And there’s the version of yourself that society tells you should be in order to be accepted or cool or whatever.
I think life really begins when you let go of one of the identity that is not your real identity, that is the mask—you find who your real person is and what that person wants. I do that with so many clients. It’s called ‘identity work.’ A lot of high-level CEO achieve a plateau where they cannot go higher than that, and more business coaching won’t help them. It’s because, at some point, you reach everything you wanted inside your subconscious mind.
In order to go higher, you need to find a real purpose. What do you truly want? Because a lot of us think that we want more money, but your subconscious mind know already what you want. If it’s not more money, you’re not gonna achieve it because if a million dollars a year is enough for you and you don’t find a compelling reason to do more, you’re gonna be stuck. It’s not a bad point to be stuck at a million dollars a year, but if you want to make five, we need to figure out who that person is, why they want to make five, and what their life would look like in that condition.
I had a lot of CEOs who we worked with, and then they realized that maybe they didn’t want more money, but they wanted more freedom, more time with their family. They also want to improve the business and, by consequences, the business doubled because now they’re truly being themself and they work on their core identity.
To go higher, you need to find a real purpose. What do you truly want?
What’s that version of you that you see in the future? If you were to do that exact process on yourself, what would you look like in five years?
Exactly. It could be right now. The thing is, because the identity that you want to become is the identity that has your dream life. You have to start living as that person right now if you want to become that person. If you want to be that person, it’s not like, ‘I’ll do that when I achieve that financial freedom or those goals.’ It’s, ‘I’ll become that person right now.’
How does that person behave? What’s the belief system, the trauma, the limiting belief? What is the purpose, the mission, the value system, the boundary system? Once all those things are determined, you start living as that person now, and the energy neuroscience and quantum physics prove it will match. You will attract that reality. This has been proven by science. It’s not a woo-woo anymore; it’s tangible stuff that energy will match if you match that energy.
It’s like a radio frequency. If I want to listen to a certain radio station, I need to tune in to that frequency. And once I’m on that frequency, “Oh, I start hearing it.” That’s the goal. Becoming that person before you are.
How do you manage that if you have a budget for coach class and feel you deserve first class, but you’ll quickly end up in the hole if you buy first class tickets to go everywhere?
So first, it’s like you have to design the identity. I call it the ‘human operating system.’ And just like your phone, you upgrade it every year for most people. And if you don’t upgrade your iPhone, and let’s say you’re still on the iPhone 15 right now, you do a software update. When was the last time that you did a human software update?
You don’t need money to achieve those thing. You will attract money. Money is energy. Money is frequency. And the thing is, you’re limited by your ability to see opportunity. And there’s a thing that is called the red car theory. So right now, you might not see a lot of red cars. But if you start focusing that you wanna see red cars, your brain will match that reality and will make you see more red cars.
Life begins when you let go of the identity society told you to be, and step fully into the identity that’s truly yours. Share on XThat’s why, let’s say you buy a new car, and then you start seeing that car everywhere on the road, and you’re like, “Damn, there was not that many BMW M5s before, but now I see a lot.” It’s because once you start putting your energy toward somewhere, you start noticing it—same thing with opportunity, same thing with those things.
When you become that person and open the gate to opportunity, you’ll see the things you were close to before, and you will be able to transition from a couch to a business. Some people might have a different way. I know that for myself, I took the leap of faith.
Sometimes I put myself in a situation that was stressful financially to provoke a change. It’s not like something that I would advise people, but you’ve got to learn to know yourself. Some people are not taking a financial move or are not investing into some stuff or making a business decision because they’re scared that it’s not going to work. But if you were guaranteed that it would work, would you do it? That is the real question.
So let’s say I want to hire a coach. I’m like, “Mike, I would pay you if I would be guaranteed that it’s going to work.” Then you should make the move. Because if you had the money, you would do it. But even if you had the money, you’re not sure you would make that business decision or that move, you need to go into your decision-making process and validate it before you do. But for myself, I behave as if I were always going to be successful.
If that situation worked, what would I do? If I was guaranteed success, if I was guaranteed that every decision I make is going to work, would I invest in that business? Would I make that move? And if the answer is yes, then you should figure out a way to do it. It’s as simple as that.
What’s an example of that where you did that in your own?
Three years ago, when I wanted to start the coaching business. What I do now is the identity work. I was making six 700,000 a year with other businesses, and I was just not happy with them anymore. I was like, “I don’t want to do it.” I closed those businesses and brought my income to zero. Having a lifestyle of almost a million dollars for the last three to four years.
Then I was like, “Let me start back from zero.” I started investing in the coaching business, taking on a mentor. I also created my supplement company in the meantime. I have brain hacking pills in order to focus more. I have Shilajit, which is gonna help men with a lot of different stuff. I took that leap of faith. I had some friends who were like, “You’re crazy, bro.” Like “You’re giving up all that income for nothing.” But the reality is I’m not scared.
Even if it took more time for it to be successful and for me to find my path into that new work, it is making me stronger.
Do I believe that in the next few years I’ll be making millions again? Yeah. Should I do the move? Yeah. If I were guaranteed that this business would work, would I do it? And if the answer is yes, then you should commit to it. And it was not without challenges. The thing is, I see the challenge and even if it took more time for it to be successful and to work and for me to find my path into that new work, I see it as it’s making me stronger, and there’s a reason why. And now, after four years, there were some challenges.
And now I finally see what happened is the coaching that I do, the type of coaching that I do, because sometimes it can seem untangible identity work. What is the guarantee for clients? Like, how does it work? And for me to find the perfect way to explain it to people. It was harder than say fitness.
I might give you 10 pounds of muscle in the next 30 days or eCOM. Let’s take your eCOM store to 5,000 a month in the next 60 days. Those are tangible stuff that you can promise. But if I can make this offer work as a coach, now I can make any offer work because I did the hardest offer. I believe that personal development is the hardest offer that you can do.
And that now is making me a better coach. So when people come to me for business advice or anything for their offer, it’s so easy for me because I’m like, “Bro, this is it.” Like you do this offer, this is super easy. So whenever there’s a challenge, now I see them as ‘What can I grow out of it?’ That’s my mentality—and the same thing with the supplement business. I could have picked a caffeine product because caffeine is highly addictive.
Everybody wants to drink caffeine, but caffeine is bad for your brain. You should avoid it as much as you can. The thing is, I develop products, stimulant-free, that I have to teach people why those products are so much more powerful. I see the vision long-term instead of quick gain in the short term. I know a guy who made 1.5 million over the last year, having a Yoruba Mats product that is really good.
But if I don’t want to promote caffeine and I want to go against it, and I want to do that new thing that I believe in, it’s going to require some education on my part to the client. Is it going to be a little longer for me to grow the business? Yes, but it’s part of what I do. And if I have that belief that everything is going to work and I take faith over fear, I’m still going to do it. And I won’t be rushed into like, “It’s not working. I got to do something else because I need money for this or that.” That’s how I operate. That’s part of my value system, my belief system, and my mission.
Do you have a mastermind as well as one-on-one coaching clients, or do you have a group coaching program? What are all your offerings?
Right now, there’s a free community. I’m launching an AI offer at the same time, because now my coaching is AI-powered. It’s an identity AI-powered. And then I’m going to have AI coaching because I use a lot of AI for business. So this is going to be the community. But for the identity work, the human upgrade operating system, it’s only one-on-one right now.
I’ve attended mastermind. Personally, I don’t believe that it worked. I paid for Tony Robbins’ master program. It was like $140,000. It’s platinum membership. You do all his events. I went to his house. I did everything you could do. I didn’t get a result.
I know many members who didn’t get a result. Out of the 450 members who paid $140,000, I think 250 didn’t renew. Out of the 100 that renew, there were already people who just want to be part of a mastermind, and that hundred thousand for them is not really an investment. It’s like pocket money.
The thing is, I took some clients out of that and coached them, and within 12 weeks, we got way more results than within a year. My program is nowhere near that money. The program is 6K, and people who invested says, “It changed our lives.” I have testimonials from people that did Tony Robbins. The thing is, Tony Robbins, what we got is a lot of information. But information in the era that we live doesn’t work for anything.
Because with AI, especially nowadays, I can ask AI to be Tony Robbins and talk to me like Tony Robbins, and it has access to all this material like that. It means nothing. And what they gave us is books and books and books of material.
And to be honest, Tony Robbins, best coach in the world. I can’t say anything bad if it was a one-on-one, but his mastermind and his events, they’re all the same. All the material I have, all of them, I have all the books, 80% of the books, they’re all the same on every end. And they just give you so much material that you feel like you get something, but you won’t use it. Most of it. That’s the reality.
Nothing external can fill the hole you have inside; fulfillment comes from living your passion and doing the inner work. Share on XSo when you want to do personal development. You need someone to take you and coach you because your subconscious mind doesn’t let you access that information. So you need someone who will help you to go into your subconscious mind. The same as hypnosis, same as anything else. You need someone who will supervise you.
So what was the best thing you got out of Platinum Partnership? I did three years. I found my wife there. I also got a spiritual awakening in India on a Platinum Partnership. But your mileage will vary. So what was the best thing you got out of the program?
I mean, the community was cool. I went to Africa. The trip was nice. Like I said, I’m still in contact with the platinum group. I’m still on WhatsApp. I still talk with some members. It’s cool. It was nice in terms of community. Does it work? The 140,000th? No way.
I think that the whole platinum could be like 30,000, and Tony sold it, he doesn’t do it anymore. It’s still branded as Tony, but he doesn’t do it anymore. Right now personally, I think Tony is trying to cash in as much money as he can with the business and buy. But honestly, if I can’t say nothing about the man, the man is a legend.
He inspired me when I was young, and he’s still the number one coach one-on-one in the world for sure. I think a lot of people like the membership, the mastermind. And if you have the money and you want to do it, it’s good. I think there’s a way better mastermind out there. I know other masterminds that are much better for much cheaper. And yeah.
The best thing I got is Tony always says it’s 80% mindset. And that’s true, everything that he coaches, basically, mindset. Tony is a master storyteller. So if you can learn one thing from attending all the events that he does, it is storytelling and the way that he sells. Tony is always selling, always. You don’t have the impression, but he teaches you something, tells a story about it to sell you, then Scott comes on stage, hard sells you for 15 minutes, they take a pause so you sign up, they repeat, and then there are four hours of selling in a 12-hour day. It’s insane.
And the eight hours of teaching are still prepping the sell for the other. So if you look from the back and you look at what’s happening, it’s a master class of sell. Like Tony is a master manipulator and sells like he’s just, it’s good that’s a good thing that you can take. But like I said, there are always things that you can be grateful for. And I think Tony is a master at that.
He’s gonna cry on the same exact story at every event that he’s been crying for 40 years to trigger you from emotional state to peak state to sell you something, and if you can learn from that, you’re goaded. It’s like, there’s no better sales class than this. What did you like about the masterclass? You did three years.
Yeah, so like I said, I met my wife from it. A fellow platinum partner introduced me to her last night at the very end of Date with Destiny in the lobby after everything had finished. I had an incredible spiritual awakening in India on the Oneness Platinum Trip. So Tony brings in these oneness monks, and one of them zapped me.
He touched on the head, gave me a deeksha, the oneness blessing. And I had a psychedelic trip. Everything was in ‘technicolor’. It was incredible. I felt this deep sense of peace and connection.
Just with the monk transferring energy?
I’ve never taken any substances. My whole world changed; miracles just started happening one after another. It was incredible. That was 2012.
That’s beautiful, yeah. I think back then also Tony was way more committed in the mastermind. I think there was only every member was vetted, and I think you guys were only 100 or 90 something. And when Tony sold it.
There are more than that. There was probably 150, but now the top-tier group, the Lions, which is 250k a year, is about the size of what Platinum Partnership was when I was in.
No, the lion, they were only 20, and they removed it because Tony sold it. He doesn’t want to do lion anymore. So the year that I was in two years ago was the last year for a lion. And Tony had a baby, and Sage didn’t want nobody at the house anymore. So they canceled, it was the last year that they were doing lion. But when I did it, there were 500 something members and 250 or 270 were new members. And that’s the thing they said, they vetted everyone.
And I know tons of people who drop out through the program because they were lying a bunch when they were selling it. So I think when you did it, it was the goaded year. Like it’s like when Tony was really involved with the program and he was, he didn’t even come to Africa with us. We went to his house after, but he didn’t come to Africa before he was doing every trip with the platinum. He was connecting with the members was a tighter group. So that’s when I think that it was less about the money and more about transformation.
Yeah, it was transformational back then. I started in 2010. My first Tony event was 2009. I did Platinum Partnership starting in 2010 for three years, and it was absolutely life-changing. But, you know, I’m not involved with his stuff anymore. It’s been, I don’t know, decade, over a decade since I’ve done any of his events, but it was incredible and super helpful for that time in my life.
Yeah, it’s beautiful. I think that’s when I did my first event. I was 21, so that’s 14 years ago. We’re 20, 25, yeah, 2011, I signed up for the whole package out of a leap of faith and I bankrupt after because I couldn’t pay, and I had other business that went wrong, and I ended up not doing all the other event. I got excited, and I’ve always been a guy that takes the leap of faith and trust and like I said, sometimes it doesn’t work and it’s okay.
And he was the guy that gave me the, first time I saw Tony, is the guy that transformed my purpose. I saw him, and “I was like, that’s who I want to be.” I want to be the new version and the better version and make it my way. And now it’s been 13, 14 year in the making.
Like I said, I can’t say anything bad against Tony the man, but the business, the way it is right now, I would change a lot of things. Like so many different things. I think one guy that is doing good stuff right now for the price.
And for what you get out of it and transformation-wise, I think Joe Dispenza is amazing. His events are very cheap. I think 3K, including luxury room hotel, you get a one-week trip in Mexico for his one-week meditation. Amazing, amazing work. And if you want one one-on-one.
You’ve done his advanced retreat, the one where you’ve got a prerequisite before you can attend.
Yeah, I just didn’t do the last one, that is like four days of very intense 16 hours a day. You wake up with Joe Dispenza in the room, their speaker, and you go to bed in the room. Because COVID happened. And then I got the wifey and the kids. So now it was a little harder for me to commit. And now I have another baby on the way.
But once everything is done, I want to get back to doing like a deep meditation. But yeah, 18 hours a day or 16 hours a day, I think is big days. It’s heavy. It’s good stuff. Like there’s also one thing that you can do. I think that it’s another level. I almost did it with a friend, but he passed away this year.
And we were going to do it. So now I’m gonna have to go do it still. But it’s four days in the dark. I think that can be pretty challenging too. Like four days, no contact with anybody. Four days just by yourself in the dark. Like those types of things will change you. Like, I have deep belief in that. So yeah, those are all beautiful things.
Yeah, I’ve interviewed several people who have done the darkness retreats for much longer than that, actually, like 10 days or 12 days.
Wow. And what was the epiphany? Like, what was the meant that change that they said?
One explains that everything, this is Akshay Nanavati. Fearvana is his brand. He said that he started seeing stuff that would be like psychedelic, well into the program, like he could see things in his mind that were incredible. And yeah, it definitely changed him.
He feels more grounded, and he’s done multiple of these retreats now. So it was. Yeah, like he did the 10 days or 12 days, whatever it was, and then he’s done it again. He also did crazy stuff like going to the Arctic alone and trekking from one place to another in a very dangerous place and survived. This guy is crazy. In a good way, in a good way. But you know, it’s like it’s fearless, fearless because he’s trying to get over all the fear.
Yeah, I think it’s a good way to challenge yourself. I think one of the moments was when I went to do Ibogaine, I did Ibogaine in Mexico, and I did it after a bad trip of mushroom. Like, it wasn’t a bad trip is I took a hero dose of eight grams, and I didn’t really like it.
It was very challenging. It’s like reality shattered, and it was like an ego death experience, and it was very intense. And then I got scared of dying, but dying, the way I see it and the way I understood. So dying is you don’t die, it’s just that you decide not to come back. This is a reality, virtual reality that we’re living in experience, a human experience.
And for me, at that specific moment, I just got scared because I liked my life. Like that’s what it made me realize that specific trip. But then I didn’t like the way that things happened. And I was like, “God damn it, now I’m scared.” And “I was like, if I’m scared, I got to go back.”
Because fear, you can’t have those fears like and that’s what’s cool about doing those thing. It’s always going like doing things that feel uncomfortable. So you learn about yourself. So then I went to do Ibogaine that is the hardest psychedelic in Mexico and it was amazing and then I did Bufo with it and it was cool because Ibogaine is like. Is not necessarily that you’re out of body, so if you lift the mask, you’re still in the room.
Which psychedelic is more like psilocybin mushroom is like even if you open your eyes, things are still the way that they are. If you see your reality shattering because you took a very high dose, it’s still shattered even if you open your eyes. So there’s no out of it. But Ibogaine is an internal, external, but not so much. If you close your eyes, there’s things happening. But if you open your eyes, you’re still in the room.
So it was like cool because the first four, the first hour I lifted the mask four times out of like kind of like panic. I was like, “Oh shit, oh shit. It’s too much.” And then I was like, “I’m still here.” So then I could let myself go in the experience without fear. And then after I did Bufo, Bufo was the nicest experience I’ve ever done in my life. Like closest thing I’ve been to ‘source.’
It’s always doing things that feel uncomfortable, so you learn about yourself.
Like when you really have a transformational breath work meditation, like I teach a facilitate breath work session. When you have those moment of pure transcendence, it’s like Bufo, it’s like you’re directly tap into ‘source’ and you have many realizations. And I had a lot that day.
What would be an example of some of your realizations?
Yeah, so one of them was the death one that they just showed me that you can come back if you decide to come back and if you don’t, that’s when you die in physical reality. You can just decide to stay in like we’re not, we’re energy being just living a human experience. And then they were like, if you decide to go back, you can make your reality whatever you want. That’s what they told me.
Like ‘source.’ ‘higher self’ like whatever you want to call it, we’re all connected. So when I say they told me we are one consciousness. So I say they because we’re all connected as human being. We’re just not really aware of it. Most people. That’s why we arms each other. That’s why we cheat each other. That’s why we treat each other that way. One day it’s going to change. I know one day it’s going to change when we realize we’re one.
So it’s like we’re one entity divided in multiple stuff because we want to experience as much as possible, as fast as possible for the evolution of the ‘main core entity’, the ‘big brain’, the ‘source’. And then they told me that you can do, you can live the life that you want. You just have to choose it. That’s when the challenge begin because you will have doubt. You will question yourself. Like, “Is this true?”
Can I really decide my own reality? Am I choosing what’s happening to me? And even myself, there’s days that I pick up thoughts from the field that I don’t want that is like questioning my, am I really going to do it? If I’m choosing experience, why am I choosing those experiences? If I’m doing control of my reality, why am I not already mega-rich rich worth a billion dollars?
And then it’s all about if you’re not having what you want yet, it’s because you’re not the person that has that vibration yet, as simple as it is. I’m not the person who makes a billion dollars yet. When I will match the frequency, money will come. And that’s as simple as it is. And that’s why I do the work that I do with clients, because I understand that that’s the most important work.
And to confirm that, if anybody has a doubt, just to give you an example, so you understand, is I have multiple friends who are in the coaching industry, making millions every month, and they coach from Ecom to fitness to whatever you want. And let’s say they have 6,000 clients, right? Out of the 6,000 clients with the same information because they go through the same course with the same people with the same mentor, maybe 10, 20 became millionaires. You know what I mean?
What is the difference between the people who make it and the people who don’t make it? It’s about who you are, your identity, and how you use the information.
But everybody has the same information, so what is the difference between the people that make it and the people that don’t make it? It’s only who you are, it’s your identity, what you do with the information, what is your limiting belief? And that’s it, because if we’re all giving the same information and the same chances, then it’s what are you going to do and who you are and what you’re to attract.
And I’m not saying it’s easy even though it should be. If you listen to Abraham Hicks or Bashar, they just say you’ve got to be in everything. But there’s always going to be doubt because society puts doubt in ourselves, the way that we’re living, the way that we are raised. And everybody puts their limiting belief, including our parents, teacher or environment. And those beliefs have been ingrained in you for so many years that even when I work with clients, it’s going to take time to undo that.
Like, even when you have that realization that that belief is not true, if you’ve been holding that belief for 30 years, it might take a little bit of time before you get into those new beliefs. And I’m sure you see the same thing because you’re in the same field of work.
I’d love to know what would be a limiting belief that you’re battling with right now, or some sort of doubt or something holding you back.
Recently, I have a coach, I have a mentor too. I work with an energy guy, and he told me that “I’m not worthy of the money for some reason.” Like, even though I had the money before, everything was good, right now it’s blocking me from the step that I have to like my purpose, my destiny and everything that is coming. Is there’s a belief that ingrained when I dropped all my money to start back from zero and it didn’t happen as fast as I wanted.
It’s like there is something that I kept saying, and because whatever you keep repeating, guys and I teach it and I know it, but it doesn’t make me immune to it. As I said, it’s hard. The mindset offer is hard. It’s the hardest offer. It’s hard to get clients.
And I kept saying that, and that belief came like, like if it was hard to get a client, but it’s not hard. It’s just that, I was not speaking the language to attract the client. And now I see it. It took me a long time, but it’s just when things are not going your way and you’re battling with someone, like I was in Miami. I was not happy in Miami. I didn’t really have friends in Miami. Felt alone, and your environment dictates who you are. And then it’s a, it’s a path.
You know, like we all have our thing, and then I kept repeating it. So I ingrained that belief, and now I’m removing that belief, and things are going good. Like now I’m, I see that things are moving in the right direction. And it was funny because I hired, I think, seven different coaches and mentors, for the offer and people are making over a million a month and stuff like that.
And none of them could crack the offer. None of them could make it successful. So the problem is that it reinforced that it’s super hard. I’m like, “If those guys can’t do it, God damn it, it’s a hard offer.” But like I said, life will challenge you to make you grow. And now the way I see it is life made me go through those non-working days and non-working collaboration with mentors, with people doing the offer for me, with agency, with whoever you want, because I had to figure it out myself. So if there was no shortcut, what was left for me was learning it. And now I can say that in the last four years, I learned so much that I’m better or I have more knowledge than those guys.
Knowledge and capability don’t mean that someone can be less intelligent or less capable than you.
So knowledge and capability doesn’t mean that, like someone can be less intelligent than you are less capable, and make more money. So guys don’t see because right now you’re not having the money that you’re less capable or whatever. Now I can see that through those years, if I worked it and I made it work, now when someone asks me about coaching and I’m like, I have so much knowledge because when it doesn’t work for like so many different angles.
You work your brain and you find ways and you learn, and I do research and I dive deep. And now I can say I’m building an AI offer. Never been that easy. Like so easy for me. Like, because mindset was the hardest. Like it was the hardest and it’s like now it’s just gave me experience.
So I would say like, yeah, I’m grateful for everything that happened. Was it hard mentally going from a hundred thousand dollars in my bank account to zero? Yeah. Yeah, of course. It’s like for everybody. But everyday I know I did it for a reason and I just see the bigger picture. That’s what I focus on. So yeah, that’s the goal right now.
Thank you for being vulnerable and transparent. It’s funny that you actually said earlier in this conversation that mindset is the hardest offer, and you just reinforced it yet again. So maybe change your belief about that a bit more. It’ll make it easier.
That’s how I was talking. You know what I mean? Like I do believe that mindset is the hardest offer doesn’t mean it’s hard to get client? No, because there’s offer that are harder than other but I believe that creating a mindset offer is the hardest between if you do fitness, Ecom, AI like it is the hardest offer but the thing is if you build it the right way and if you have the right language and you’re speaking to your audience in a way that they can understand.
It’s not hard to get a client. So the thing is, back then I was talking a little too advanced about neuroplasticity and neuroscience and the subconscious mind and this and that. And most people didn’t understand, like what would they get? Like, what do I get out of all that? So now I changed the way that I formulate things. A belief can make or destroy you.
And I had a client that he was making $1.7 million a year. We changed one belief. In the 12 weeks that we worked, after three weeks, that month he made $650,000. And then the 13 weeks when he was done that month, between those weeks, he made $960,000. So he made his whole year within the 12 weeks of coaching and added another client that he was making 10 million a year.
So what was the belief that he had?
He believed that he was not good enough, he was not successful enough. So him, he had a self-confidence problem, it’s called your self-image. So it’s the image that you hold of yourself inside of your mind, and he was never successful enough. So if you don’t see yourself as successful enough, then you might be scared to make some move, some business decision that’s supposed to be done.
And then it creates what I call a fixed mindset, a limiting mindset where there’s decision to be made, but it’s funny because the whole coaching, that guy kept repeating those same words. “What if I was lucky, Mike?” Like, “What if I lose everything and I can’t make it again?” And that tells you that the person doesn’t have true confidence because I gave up everything knowing that I could make it again.
But those two clients, I have another one that was making 10 million, and now a year after he was making 27 million, same exact word. “Mike, I’m not that smart.” “What if I lose everything and I can’t make it again?” And those are just limiting beliefs about I’m not good enough. And Tony Robbins says there’s only two core beliefs. I’m not being loved, and I’m not enough. And every other belief is reinforcement on top of it.
So those clients, we had to go to the root of it. And his breakthrough was one day, he realized that he had a good life. He’s like, “I have a wife that’s amazing.” “I have a daughter that loves me and is healthy.” “I have a business that makes 1.7 million a year.” “I think life is good.” And I was like, “Oh, you think?” I mean, it seems pretty good to me. 1.7 million a year with 60 % profit seems pretty good to me.
And then from that day, when you make decision knowing that you are good enough and that life will be working for you, then you start making decisions. And it’s not, it’s not all his decision that without fear, but I showed him also in the program, I show a decision-making process that is mixed between Tony Robbins, what he teaches and other big mentors that I had. And it’s a decision-making process that happens every time you want to make a decision, we make sure that it’s aligned with your purpose, your identity, and what you want in life.
And there’s a way to do it that I formulate with clients. And now he’s trying to make the best decision based on that. But like I said, he still has work to do because it’s not because we have this breakthrough and this ‘aha’ moment that now everything is solved because your environment dictates who you are.
So those limiting beliefs and those patterns will come back, but you’ve got to stick to it and just keep reinforcing those new connections that you did in your brain, that neuroplasticity. And the more you reinforce, the more the old one is fading away in order to be replaced it. So same process for everyone. Every client that I have had is the same thing. They have a living belief, and they have also, when I start with them, everybody without exception, all my clients, the goals that they had when we started and the goals that they had at the end completely different.
Because they think that they want something based on their current identity. And then when we work on it, we remove the belief, we frame the new identity, we engineer it together. It’s called co-creation. We create it together. Then we make those new decisions. Oh man, it’s day and night. It’s like fuck, it’s like if the person is completely different, which they are, but it’s beautiful.
True confidence isn’t built on external validation; it’s knowing who you are without needing approval from anyone. Share on XThat’s why I like the work that I do. And the funny part, and I told you, Stephan, is the subconscious mind knows you because it’s your automated system. It controls 95 % of your life. So even for me, I coach that shit. I’m really good at what I do. But even to myself, my mind knows me better.
So I have a mentor and I have a coach because sometimes I can’t see some stuff, and I know it’s funny enough. And my girl is like, “Do you know your flaws?” I’m like, “Babe, that’s what I coach. Of course I know.” I know who I am. But it’s like, sometimes, I would say all the time, working with someone and putting it on paper and having an open-minded discussion that you’re hearing yourself, you’re having those breakthroughs. But just doing it alone, you won’t. That’s why I believe how powerful it is to have one-on-one.
Yes, group setting can work because I did have some breakthroughs when Tony Robbins was coaching someone if they have a limiting belief or something very similar to you, and you’re listening when he does the one-on-one. So I believe that that’s why I’m creating the group right now. I believe that Zoom calls can work if you pay attention, but I believe that they work combined with one-on-one. I believe if you really want to have those big breakthroughs, one-on-one is essential like and I’ll always believe it.
And I did so many masterminds, I invested close to $700,000 in coaching and different stuff and groups, and I’m in a business group, and I’ve did all of them like that, I feel was important for me to do. And I would say that one-on-one is still my favorite to this day. There’s nothing like a one-on-one, and I’m sure you’ve lived it too. And I’m sure you do one-on-one coaching too. I don’t know exactly what you do, but from what I saw, that.
Yeah, yeah, I’ve done a lot of I have had a lot of coaches, a lot of mentors over the years and been in a lot of masterminds, done a lot of seminars, spent an insane amount of money, and it was all worth it. It was all worth it.
Yeah. What is your favorite? The one-on-one?
My favorite, I’d say it’s Genius Network, which is not one-on-one. Joe Polish’s mastermind or program, or network, I don’t know what you want to call it. It’s not really a mastermind. It’s just a, it’s a community, but it’s incredible. It feels like soul family to me. I’ve had really profound relationships and meetings, conversations. A lot of clients come out of it as well. So for my SEO and online marketing business.
I love it. I love it, man. Yeah, like having a good mastermind, a good network, like right now I’m in a business mastermind. It’s called the members. It’s really cool. It’s like a guy, a friend of mine started it started inviting big players in their coaching in the Ecom. And it’s something about having a community and environment that is awesome too, for like driving you.
I feel like men are competitive beings, and I feel like it’s cool when you see other men being successful. For me, I don’t see it as jealousy. I see it as like, wow, that’s inspiring. Like the guys are posting, even though I’m not so much into material stuff, I like cars. I like nice stuff. Like I don’t live for it, but it’s cool to have.
And when they’re posting the Porsche, the new car, the house in Medellin and the travel and the good life, it’s inspiring. You’re like, that’s cool. Like, damn, it’s like, for me, it inspired me when they’re posting that their business is doing good. When they sign 10 clients today, they make 300,000 in a day. It just reminds you that everything is possible. So I like those membership and those member. It’s cool.
Like we have a good conversation, we cheer each other up, like, do you need help with anything? And then sometimes I ask them advice on some stuff, and it’s powerful to have a good community. I’ll check the Genius Network. I didn’t hear about it.
That’s great. It’s really, really good. You could listen to my interview of Joe Polish. I think you really like him. It was actually from a mastermind that I learned about you. You spoke at a metal online event. So, yeah, Ken Rutkowski. Are you still a part of M.E.T.A.L?
No, we had a little falling apart for some personal stuff. It was a cool group.
I’m not in it anymore myself. It was difficult for me to be in a group that meets on Saturdays, and I keep Shabbat; I don’t go online and do work stuff on Saturdays.
It was a good group. I just didn’t align with a lot of members. Like, I have a good friend that came out of it, Kurtis, the breathwork guy. Cool guy.
I’ve had him on the show, too. He’s awesome. Something that he shared that’s just changed everything for me. He told me in the interview that God is his business partner. So God is my business partner. And ever since that happened, it’s been such a different experience being in business. It’s really cool.
Actually, the one that certified me in breathwork. So I got certified in breathwork because I really liked what he did. It was powerful. It’s a powerful technique. Like I said, I’m always grateful. There’s not so many other metal members that I connected with. I was friends with a few, but Kurtis is the only one that I kept, but yeah, like there’s some group, like it’s not every mastermind or every group that will be for everyone. So you find your tribe, and it’s like you, I might go in Genius, and it might not be for me, but for you it’s life changing, and you love it.
So that’s what if we can learn something, guys, it’s like try multiple, like community, multiple tribes, and see where you fit. Then when you find one like Stephan, that he’s like raving about, that’s what you want. Like you want a community that you feel that you’re a part of and that makes you grow and that makes you feel alive because we are community people. Like you need that aspect to be successful.
You can’t do it alone. And if you do it alone, you’re not gonna feel fulfilled. Trust me. There’s a guy that I helped, he made a hundred million, and he almost shot himself a few times. Like he bought the gun and stuff because money won’t make you happy. Are you going to be happy with or without money? You can with both. Is being broke going to make you happier? No. But if you’re not happy broke, you’re not going to be happy with money. It’s just how it is.
You’re going to buy everything you ever wanted. It’s going to feel good, but there’s nothing external that can fix the hole that you have inside.
Like maybe for a short period of time, you’re going to buy everything you ever wanted. It’s going to feel good, but there’s nothing external that can fix the hole that you have inside. So finding a good community doing work that you love, doing your passion, and working on yourself. I feel like those are crucial stuff. But yeah, thanks for having me, man. It’s a good conversation.
This is really a fabulous conversation. So if our listener or viewer wants to work with you, where do we send them to?
They can message me on Instagram. My Instagram is @mikechabotfitness. They can also send me an email. Yes, it’s still fitness guys, you know, Instagram work. They don’t let me change it. I’m verified for years. They’re messing with me, but it’s been a little while. I don’t do personal training. Its health is still part of what I coach, biohacking and health.
But yeah, you can just shoot me a DM and we can look at your situation and there’s a hundred percent result guarantee. And if I don’t think I can fit with you. I’m going to tell you right away. I don’t take clients that I don’t want to work with. I don’t take a client that I don’t see as a fit. So we’re going to have a talk.
And if I think I can help you, because I have to see that you’re coachable and willing to do the work. And my goal is not to waste your time or my time. And it might not be me that is a fit for you. It might be Stephan. It might be another coach, but I still believe you should always do the work.
But if you want to inquire, like if it’s a fit, you can message me, shoot me a DM, and we can hop on a call and look at how I can help you. If I guarantee a result, that’s a hundred percent sure, but I want to make sure that we’re a fit to work together.
That’s awesome. You’ve got 1.1 million followers on Instagram. That’s pretty impressive.
I intend to be an influencer, now I took two years off social media.
Yes, you’re an influencer. That’s a great identity, isn’t it?
Yeah, it was good for a while. I got like 4 million on TikTok. But the thing is, what I would say is that when I built all that following, it was not based on who I am right now. So now I took two years off, and I’m redoing social media the way that I want to do it. But yeah, it was a wild ride.
It gave me a lot of perks, and that’s why I kept it even. I always said social media for me was like an X, that the X is good. It’s toxic, but you go back because of the perks. But now I’m building the brand on my own terms, and I’ve been doing for the last few years. That’s why I took two years off. I needed like I’ve been a daddy and just took a time off for focusing on myself. But yeah, now I’m back in the game.
Be yourself. Don’t do it for following or likes, because at the end of the day, you might attract people who aren’t interested in your work or want to collaborate with you.
Good thing is like anything I learned from it. If I built millions of followers, I can do it any day. But yeah, social media is just, if I can give any advice on that to end the show, is to be yourself. Don’t do it for following, don’t do it for likes, because at the end of the day, you might attract people that not going to want your work or want to work with you.
And if you’re trying to build a personal brand, just be authentic, be yourself. And one of the best examples of that, if you want to mimic someone or inspire yourself with someone right now, there’s a guy called Leo Skepi. He’s a gay guy. Princess Mafia something. He’s just funny, man. You listen to him. He built his brand by just picking up the phone, talking to his audience. He grew 5 million followers in the last two months, I think. I have followed him for a while.
Because I like his storytelling and the way that he communicate with the audience, but guys, he doesn’t do anything special. He’s just himself and people like him for that. And he has the most influence out of people. The thing is, follower count won’t make you sell a product. Like, people have to genuinely like you if you want to build a business out of it.
So I know people with 10,000 followers that make millions a year, and my following was making me six figures, like 100-200K a year, but not close to a million because I didn’t build the right way. So that’s what I can leave you. At the end of the day, you’ll be rewarded for being yourself and being authentic. And that’s what we’re doing right now.
That’s awesome. It’s a great message to end with. Thank you, Mike.
Thank you, Stephan. I’ll shoot you a follow and thank you for having me and let’s stay in connection. I like the way that you are, and I like what you preach.
Thank you. Listener, viewer, please make some impact in the world by being your authentic self and sharing something that maybe you’re a little bit afraid to share that will make the world a better place, that will make people that you talk to more inspired or feel that they’re able to be more safe with you. We’ll catch you in the next episode. I’m your host, Stephen Spencer, signing off.
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